FAA Announces Five Year Retirement on R22 and R44 Blades
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RotorcorpAtlanta
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FAA Announces Five Year Retirement on R22 and R44 Blades

12-05-2014 11:43:31

FAA Announces 5 Year Retirement on Robinson R22 and R44 Blades

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Bob D
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12-05-2014 03:35:10
It truly sounds like a manufacturing problem. If there is not sufficient bonding material at the blade tip the Aluminum/Steel interface will cause a corrosive action. Anyone that has spread bonding material by hand knows that when you reach the end of the part you scrape off the material excessively.
13snoopy
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13snoopy
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12-05-2014 04:28:10
And with that, Robinson clearly demonstrates their total and utter inability to manufacture safe and reliable main rotor blades.

It's an embarrassment. Truly.

They oughta give the new blades away, free, with a sincere apology for being colossal failures at engineering a safe blade.
Chief
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12-06-2014 01:15:21
If the blades are not safe for the manufacturers claimed 12 years, how does the FAA know they are safe for the arbitrary and nice round number of 5 years? Anyone get the feeling that there are politics at play here?

I bought and installed new blades 3 years ago with the assurance from RHC that they had a life of 12 years and planned accordingly.  I have a real problem here with RHC. Half price blades won't help me. I am an Astro owner and this condemns my aircraft in 5 years regardless of condition or actual time on it because they will not certify blades for it even if it is the same blade.
jabr800
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12-06-2014 02:16:04
My IPad keeps giving a message that "You don't have permission to view this message".
Can you post the message or at least elaborate?

Thanks.

Jeff Abrams
Bob D
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12-06-2014 03:40:34
With Robinson's history of blade replacement the Bell executives must be smiling. Why risk buying an R66 with that kind of history.
rotormatic
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12-06-2014 04:09:22
This is an odd statement:

...the owners of the Astro helicopter will need to install hydraulic assisted flight controls after 12 years regardless of the AD requirements.

I did not know there was an AD requiring installation of the hydraulic system.
jabr800
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12-06-2014 08:52:06
Can't help but think to myself, that if one more incident emerges, that gets some bad publicity (as they all usually do), that the 5 year time frame will change to something way less !


Jeff A.
13snoopy
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12-07-2014 01:44:20
This is an odd statement:

...the owners of the Astro helicopter will need to install hydraulic assisted flight controls after 12 years regardless of the AD requirements.

I did not know there was an AD requiring installation of the hydraulic system.


What's odd about the statement? Robinson had a 12 year calendar time limit on non-hydraulic Astro blades. The non-hydraulic Astro blades are not made anymore and the ones currently in use are being phased out. The new blades will only work on Astro models with hydraulics installed. That's why they stated that Astro owners will have to install hydraulics after 12 years, regardless of the current AD.
The current AD cuts down to five year maximum the number of years remaining that Astro owners can run the non-hydraulic version rotor blades. Irregardless of this latest AD, Astro owners would have to eventually switch to the newer main rotor blades that only work on Astros that are equipped with hydraulics.
13snoopy
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12-07-2014 01:46:16
With Robinson's history of blade replacement the Bell executives must be smiling. Why risk buying an R66 with that kind of history.

Bingo.
13snoopy
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12-08-2014 01:48:29
If the blades are not safe for the manufacturers claimed 12 years, how does the FAA know they are safe for the arbitrary and nice round number of 5 years? Anyone get the feeling that there are politics at play here?

I bought and installed new blades 3 years ago with the assurance from RHC that they had a life of 12 years and planned accordingly.  I have a real problem here with RHC. Half price blades won't help me. I am an Astro owner and this condemns my aircraft in 5 years regardless of condition or actual time on it because they will not certify blades for it even if it is the same blade.

Mark,
I bought the new main blades less than three years ago at the urging of Kurt Robinson. I still have the letter.
So, instead of twelve years to change the blades, I am getting a punch to the gut just like you.
turbo
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12-10-2014 04:37:08
it seems to me that some rh owners should get together and get some agreement signed with rh to eliminate rh from any liability. how can an intact blade be an issue? how many accidents have happen? how many have started to come apart? what is the real facts? sounds like a job for super lawyer. we need real answers.
13snoopy
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12-10-2014 06:53:45
it seems to me that some rh owners should get together and get some agreement signed with rh to eliminate rh from any liability. how can an intact blade be an issue? how many accidents have happen? how many have started to come apart? what is the real facts? sounds like a job for super lawyer. we need real answers.

Ohh, I think we already have the real answer, Turbo.  The real answer is Robinson is a failure at consistently manufacturing safe main rotor blades.
Chief
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12-25-2014 11:49:16
Does anyone know if RHC is protected from suits arising from their claim and representation that the product (blades) was safe and would serve the intended purpose for 12 years and now the FAA says they are not safe and useable beyond the next 5 years regardless whether they were put in service yesterday or 5 years ago? As a consumer and customer, I believe that I have been mislead by RHC and have therefore suffered significant financial damage as a result. Anyone talked to their legal counsel yet?
jabr800
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02-20-2015 03:52:26
I'm guessing this attached message (dated the evening of Feb, 20, 2015 eastern time), will have some ramifications for many of us real soon.

This is due to a Rotor Blade separation in flight killing all aboard on Feb 18 or 19.

Are the most recent blades on the R44 referred to as -7's, or is there something newer in the field ??
I'm a R22 guy.

This might get real interesting if everything flying right now is hit by what is likely coming

Thanks.
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jabr800
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02-20-2015 04:08:32
Here's another just released article about the New Zealand Crash.


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13snoopy
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02-21-2015 12:15:11
Classic Robinson.
The blade they're making me buy is no better than what I have currently.
Bob D
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02-21-2015 12:29:24
I am having the -7s put on my ship as we speak. Glad I changed the -2 for the reduced price. I went from a maybe to a WTF.