Neighbors Nix Man's Plan to Fly Helicopter Over Home
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turbo
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Neighbors Nix Man's Plan to Fly Helicopter Over Home

09-28-2011 04:24:22

http://abcnews.go.com/US/neighbors-nix-mans-plan-park-chopper/story?id=14619221

paul is a local friend of mine. hope this works out for him.

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mlanger
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09-27-2011 06:48:20
Stories like this really piss me off. It's just a few moments of noise every once in a while. Straight pipe motorcycles and truck engine brakes make more noise, but no one is prohibiting them. The safety/water table comments are a farce.
turbo
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09-27-2011 09:06:00
you are right. paul is such a nice guy too. his other house was even a liscenced  helipad.
YankeeZulu
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09-27-2011 10:25:43
Water table??? Really?  This is a bunch of BS.  Sounds to me like one guy got jealous and tried to whip the hood into a frenzy.  I hope he goes ahead with his plans.  Sounds like he is handling this in the exact right way.  Explaining the truth to those that would listen and offering rides... 

Also.  If he has 4 acres, he could be 500 feet AGL before flying over someones home...  If they are worried about a crash in the woods, will they have to ban commercial airlines from flying over their woods too???  UURRGGGGGGGGGGGGGG ::wall:
zeroechoecho
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09-28-2011 05:23:41
I keep my R44 at my house.  My nearest neighbor is one half mile away from the approach I use in the summer months.  I'm probably 800 AGL when I transit the area.  I ran into one of the neighbors at the grocery store and they were bitching about the noise.  In reality they were simply jealous!  That sounds like the case with the guy in CT.  Many people cannot/will not be happy if someone has more fun/toys/assets than they have.  Unless they can own and fly their own helicopter or drive their own loud sports car they just won't be happy and they will bitch to everyone they find. 

I'm lucky.  My R44 is based in Oklahoma.  In OK we still shoot anything that moves that we don't like, eat tons of raw meat, register as Democrats and vote as Republicans at the highest rates in the country.  We despise regulation and truly live by New Hampshire's "Live Free or Die" motto.  Since my R44 is outside any city limits there isn't a damn thing anybody can do about my landings.  I can fly over their house while landing at 10 feet AGL and give them the finger.  All this said....I don't do this.  I try to fly a slightly different flight path on each flight so as to minimize my impact.  I will admit that I am no longer at 800 AGL as I fly over the bitching neighbor's house.  I've lowered it to about 400 - just to piss her off!  She a also bitched about the duck hunting on my lake.  I now let people hunt 30 minutes earlier in the morning - which works out to be right at sunrise.  Maybe she will get the message she shouldn't be a bitch ()
rotordude
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09-28-2011 09:04:16
Unfortunately this guy didn't do his homework.  Just because zoning will let you land several times per year does not mean your neighbors will let you do it.  Face it, jealousy is the main issue here.  Forrest fires?  Water table contamination?  "Yeah, that's the ticket."

This thing has to be run like a public relations campaign from the start.  Have a few of the neighbors meet you at the local airport for a free flight.  Fly them over the neighborhood so they can get some aerial photos of their home.  Show them that you are a safe and considerate pilot.  Talk about how flying is your dream and passion.  Tell them how you have to struggle to make the loan payments.  Tell them that you plan to land at you home one time, and invite them over to check it out, invite their kids to sit in the machine, and have a cookout.  Thank them all for allowing you to land on you own property.  Show some humility. 

By ignoring the neighbors, and not doing the PR stuff, they feel as though you are some kind of wealthy and arrogant dude when you fly in "without their permission."  They will shut you down.  Ironically, if you buy a custom chopper of another sort (motorcycle, that is) with straight-pipe earsplitting exhaust, and gun it up and down the street all day, past the kid's at play, you are a patriot, and not to be reckoned with by neighbors or local police.  I never understood this, and never will.

Tell the neighbors it's a flying motorcycle, you are buying American, and say a little prayer.  "Yeah, that's the ticket."

andybar
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10-02-2011 04:30:23
Heheh very funny , this complaint doesn?t make any sense, water table? only one helicopter compared to how many cars in that place, let say 180 neighbors approx.  180 cars and I presumed that Mr. Paul will not do the maintenance job at their house. I think their just jealous.
rsmith
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gft
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10-14-2011 09:25:56
2 links that I have included below to the FAA website are very informative and will tell you
most everything you want to know regarding FAA approved heliports.

For what it's worth here's everything I know.....

FAA will be the first to tell you that you do not need their approval for a private heliport
unless it is located within controlled airspace. You will however most likely need the blessing of
your local zoning board and the state "DOT".

When planning for my FAA approved heliport here in Florida the FAA was quick to point out that
I did not need their approval, nor did I need to give them notice of or apply for an approved heliport
unless my private heliport exceeded the following: (and I quote)

"Notice is not required for the intermittent use of a site that is not an established airport, which is used for less than one year and at which flight operations will be conducted only under VFR rules.
Intermittent use means the use of the site for no more than 3 days in any one week and for no more than 10 operations per day." (1 operation = 1 takeoff & 1 landing)

The key here is the word private, let me point out that none of this applies if you're opening a public heliport. The information you need for a public heliport is also included somewhere in the two links below.

Please don't take my word for any of this, read it all for yourself at:

http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/advisory_circular/150-5390-2B/150_5390_2b.pdf

   see:  Page 14 of AC 150/5390-2B


http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/form/faa7480-1.pdf

   see paragraph on 2nd page titled:  "Instructions Notice of Landing Area Proposal"


happy reading





robipilot
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10-15-2011 03:02:05
I can't find this "FAA guideline" that recommends 36 maximum T&L per year. Anyone got a link or advisory number?
No One
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11-17-2012 06:18:04
I had the same problem.....on 12 acres.  The neighbors( on 2 and 3 acre homesites) whose homes were under my approach had no problem. It was the neighbors on the half acre lots that I scrupulously avoided flying over, that complained. I offered rides, tried to meet with them, etc.  They refused. ( No doubt because they knew their objections were phony). I and another nearby pilot even tried to get a limited use landing ordinance passed.
In the end folks,  it's got nothing to do with safety or noise ( we're 6nm from a huge airbase with lots of  low level window-rattling military chopper traffic).
The only problem is that the objecting neighbors don't have a helicopter themselves, so they don't want you to have one either. It's really nothing more than that.
I'm building  a place in the mountains now, complete with helipad... and neighbors that love the thing.... Much better situation. Just roll it out and off we go.
Blue Thunder
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11-18-2012 04:55:49
I also live on 4 acres east of Calgary. Like some of you, I have heard rumours of some neighbours who silently complain, but there's jack s**t they can do.  I don't try to be a nuisance, but some people were born to gripe. For my immediate neighbours, I'm the guy who comes by with the snow blower after a heavy snowfall, and I think they know that they would be left stranded if they complain. I sometimes take off as early as 6 if I'm flying to work, but I generally try not to push my limits .  Like Maria said, straight pipes on vehicles make more noise than the helicopters.
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turbo
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11-23-2012 03:18:04
info on original post.  it all turned out fine for paul. the guy who was causing most of the trouble turned out to be ok. education and communication. a good ending.