R66 - cleaning carbon off the tail
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Roadrnnr
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R66 - cleaning carbon off the tail

12-17-2013 08:15:21

What do you guys find is the best way to clean the soot off the tail? Soap and water doesn't cut it, I've found an industrial cleaner "Celeste" that seems to work well but I thought is ask what everyone else is using...

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FSH
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12-17-2013 03:21:26
Someone posted here about scrubbing Bubbles  a few months ago. We tried it and it works great. Also use it on the 44 exhaust.
Grant
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12-17-2013 04:48:22
I second the scrubbing bubbles... go ahead and buy the name brand.  The cheap stuff works too but for how well it works I'd just as soon use the Scrubbing Bubbles brand"  Make sure you get the aerosol foaming stuff and not the trigger type shower spray
alcornl
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12-17-2013 06:43:28
Turbine soot master from real clean products.  They came out with this stuff about 2 years ago and love it.  I used to use carbon X, but this stuff is ten times better.  Safe for paint and just wipes off with one application.  It's also a good general degreaser as well.  I think it works better on piston exhaust than turbine, but great on both. 

https://www.realcleanproducts.com/index.php/detailing-products/turbine-soot-master.html
ccaffey
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12-18-2013 02:18:59
Try Simple Green Aircraft cleaner
wulfman76
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12-19-2013 02:08:21
Dawn dish soap.  Dont knock it til you try it. 

I've tried the expensive (like $500/5gal) and i use the dawn.  Dawn works just as good or better and wont fade paint if you dont get every last bit rinsed off.
turbo
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01-24-2014 03:35:17
paint cleans easier when it is protected better. i have found http://www.finishfirstpolish.com works the best. love this stuff.
turbo
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01-29-2014 04:50:56
i use the polish product to protect the surface. i havent use any of there cleaners. the object is to get it clean and then to protect it it with some thing like the finish first polish. hope this helps.
R44bob
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01-29-2014 06:59:46
Ed,
  Just ordered some of the finish first cleaner. Do you need to wipe the surface with water after cleaning to get chemicals off the paint? I have been doing that with scrubbing bubbles that also does a great job but wonder if its eating the paint off the tail rotor.
DrDirk
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01-31-2014 03:32:09
I think the key is to do it as soon and as often as possible. I do it every day. I use s pay bottle of water and lemon pledge, that's it. I use that for the whole helicopter and never had to wash it. It leaves a film that seems to protect and minimize the adherence of carbon or dirt. But key is more often, less cleaning.
R44bob
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02-02-2014 05:54:21
Dirk is that a plain bottle of water, not sure with the typo.
Rafa
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02-02-2014 06:06:58
Good Morning Everybody.

On our 66 we wash the tail section as soon we land, we are using an aviation approved degreaser made by Allen Groupe, the name is XE-3,Simple Green Aircraft Also works fine after that we apply an aviation approved paint sealer REJEX made by the same people of Corrosion X,this product seals the paint so remove the carbon next time will be much easier , also  we apply a teflon coat every 6 months, so far all this products has been working pretty good, one of the most important things is that all this products are  aviation approved and safe.

Rafa.
Blue Thunder
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02-02-2014 10:54:01
Ed,
  Just ordered some of the finish first cleaner. Do you need to wipe the surface with water after cleaning to get chemicals off the paint? I have been doing that with scrubbing bubbles that also does a great job but wonder if its eating the paint off the tail rotor.

I used Scrubbing Bubbles when I had the 44.  I was concerned at the corrosiveness of the product, not that I witnessed any, but given it's strong chlorine stench, I wondered what it would do it it found bare metal?  I stopped using it after I couldn't find any answers to this.  I use BAAM (bugs away and more) as well as an aviation cleaner a buddy gave me.  They seem to do the trick.  I would be curious to know more about the Teflon coat that you use Rafael. 
Rafa
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02-03-2014 12:24:16
Ed,
  Just ordered some of the finish first cleaner. Do you need to wipe the surface with water after cleaning to get chemicals off the paint? I have been doing that with scrubbing bubbles that also does a great job but wonder if its eating the paint off the tail rotor.

I used Scrubbing Bubbles when I had the 44.  I was concerned at the corrosiveness of the product, not that I witnessed any, but given it's strong chlorine stench, I wondered what it would do it it found bare metal?  I stopped using it after I couldn't find any answers to this.  I use BAAM (bugs away and more) as well as an aviation cleaner a buddy gave me.  They seem to do the trick.  I would be curious to know more about the Teflon coat that you use Rafael. 
Matt.

The Teflon that we use is Manufactured by International Aero Services the designation is TFC128(High Tech Exterior Protectant) is a two parts solution so you also need to buy the catalyst, let me know if you need the salesperson phone No.

Rafa.
Low Level Lover
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02-03-2014 03:19:51
Hi Matt

I'm with Rafa on this one. I love the Rejex product and use it on EVERYTHING, from complete fuselage, rotor blades, and especially windshields. My windshields look brand new after cleaning with the Rejex and performs excellent in the rain with the water beading off to the sides. It's super easy to apply and wipe off and as mentioned before it helps for removing bugs off of everything with little effort. I use Simple Green as well to wash the bugs off first. As Mr. Remington use to say in his commercials, "I like it so much I would buy the company". Not sure though how it would work on turbine exhaust build up but I'm sure it would work as it leaves the paint glossy and fresh. Also should mention I'm sure I save close to an Inch of manifold pressure after cleaning my blades and then using Rejex. I really should be a salesman for this stuff!!!!
Kirt
Blue Thunder
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02-03-2014 06:33:53
Thanks Kirt, where you been hiding?  I do have a jug of Rejex, never tried it on my wind screen.  What kind of cloths are you using?  I have soft cloths that I wash and reuse, but I am searching a product that is deposable, just so I don't get in to the habit or make the mistake of using a 'bad' cloth after it's gone through the washer a number of times. 

I did get about an extra inch of manifold pressure when I waxed the 44 blades.  I just don't notice the difference waxing the 407 blades, so I probably don't do it as often now.  Thanks
Low Level Lover
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02-03-2014 07:26:27
Hey Matt
I use a "windshield only" washcloth like yourself to wash the bugs with Simple Green soap. Wet the windshields, let soak for a few minutes and then just a light scrub. Then for the Rejex I use the Blue Shop Paper Towels, one to apply and another to remove.
Cheers
Kirt
R44inCincy
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02-04-2014 04:33:35
Carbon X is the best. Made by Arrow-Magnolia, who supplies a lot of airlines. It's really powerful stuff, but meets all the MilSpecs and Boeing specs--will not corrode aluminum or harm paint. But I've found it's fantastic on exhaust stains - King Airs, Pilatus, helicopters. Buy it by the gallon and dilute it.
Chrisy
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02-05-2014 03:08:07
What do you guys find is the best way to clean the soot off the tail? Soap and water doesn't cut it, I've found an industrial cleaner "Celeste" that seems to work well but I thought is ask what everyone else is using...
I gave up on all the "cleaning" products. Sitting low on the ground was an awkward position to scrub from. I switched to WD40 and it wipes clean effortlessly.
DrDirk
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02-11-2014 05:40:20
Dirk is that a plain bottle of water, not sure with the typo.


Yes, I have a plain spray bottle that I fill with water. I use it to wet whatever area I am cleaning. I will then use simple lemon pledge on the tail or any metal area. On a related note, I also wet the windshield before I use the plexiglass cleaner on it. Wetting does two things, 1, it makes the bugs or dirt a little softer and in my opinion easier to remove and 2, it cuts down the cost of the cleaner! As we all know, anything "aviation" is costly so why not literally water it down.
R44bob
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06-03-2014 06:50:21
Scrubbing Bubbles works great for $4 bucks but need to wash off with water after. Chemicals can attack the clear coat on the paint with constant use.. Extreme green also works and not as aggressive on paint. Also use on the exhaust. Soap and water for everything else